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DaTaFrY said in June 9th, 2008 at 6:27 pm

Thx for posting this. I just picked up a PP2 over the weekend which looks like it has the same type of issues. Right now I don’t get any ROM errors but have the garbald screen, so I’m thinking I may have a power issue like you described. This is my first cabinet repair, so it should be fun

Thx
DF

Jeff Waldron said in June 16th, 2008 at 8:59 am

Glad I could help! I am still have a little bit of trouble keeping this power dialed in, so I will likely be posting some further information. I may end up adding a switching power supply to supply the +5v to the boards, and just use the ARII’s for sound amplification. Will do some testing soon.

mr. farrell said in June 21st, 2008 at 7:41 pm

hi jeff. I’m trying to sell my pole position arcade but but I’m having sporadic problems with it. Upon power up its just a blank blue screen. sometimes its displaying ram 53 or ram 62.

Can the ram be found anywhere besides other PP boards?

thanx.

Jeff Waldron said in June 22nd, 2008 at 2:03 pm

Not sure if your problem actually is RAM. Since I also got RAM errors until I got the voltages worked out, you may be seeing the same thing. I would double-check to make sure you’re pushing 5V to the board. I’ve actually heard 5.15V is a good number to aim for. If that is not the problem, you can check with sites that carry RAM such as http://www.arcadechips.com. I don’t remember right off hand what chip they need, so you’ll want to reference the manual for your board. Check http://www.klov.com and look up Pole Position. There will be a link to a manual at the bottom of the page.

DaTaFrY said in June 25th, 2008 at 12:08 pm

I’ve done the regulator repair and also did the sense fix. So I’m getting 5.1v to the board, but still have a garbled screen. So I’m thinking it might be in the ram somewhere. Which leads me to:

How can you test the ram chips? Is it just a voltage thing, or is there some nifty gadget you can get?

Cheers

Jeff Waldron said in June 25th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

I’m sure there is a way to test them, but I honestly wouldn’t know how to tell you to do it. Your best bet would be to pick up a non-working PP PCB and start swapping.

Also, start running power wires directly to the test points on the board. You may not actually be getting the 5.1V to the board like you think you are.

mr. farrell said in June 25th, 2008 at 5:55 pm

thanx. i’ll check that out.

mr. farrell said in July 9th, 2008 at 1:48 pm

hey Jeff. im havin trouble makin sense of the schematics for the pcb’s. i see all the tabs marked 5.1v and GRN, like the ones below. are those he test points you were referring to?

thanx for your help.
http://www.jeffsgames.com/images/arcade/games/pole/pp2/pp2pcbburn.jpg

Jeff Waldron said in July 10th, 2008 at 7:23 am

Yes, those tabs are the test points. Just be careful that you are using the right ones. There are the voltage ones, but also some of the other wiring has test points. For example, I would guess GRN is GREEN for video signal. Don’t have a board with me but if I remember right, it’s GND for ground.

mr. farrell said in July 10th, 2008 at 10:06 pm

oh man… glad you mentioned that. i might not have noticed that. i dont have my board right now eithr but im pretty sure you’re right .

thanx again.

Jeff Waldron said in July 11th, 2008 at 6:47 am

No sweat! Make sure you remember to let me know how it goes! I’m finishing up my Tron over the next couple weeks and then I’m going to get this game done. If I can knock out the power issues I’ll let you know.

mark kirby said in August 9th, 2008 at 12:47 pm

Hi. I have a PP1 and I’ve started working on it. The PCB has many wires soldered to the board itself with its own power supply. The sense wires are cut so would this be a situation where the AR boards are used just for sound? Do i plug in the switching power supply and the transformer assy separately? Thanks

MK

Jeff Waldron said in August 10th, 2008 at 2:09 pm

Mark, it sounds like that’s what they’ve done. I may end up doing the same thing. Double check that the power wires from the AR boards are not still being sent to the PP game PCBs. There should just be sound wiring. The sense wires really aren’t important to worry about if the PCBs are using a seperate power supply.

m kirby said in September 29th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

Hi again. Do you have a blank red screen when you
power up the game with nothing attached? I’ve got just the monitor power hooked up right now. Do the AR boards have to be hooked up to the PCB for it to work? Sorry so many questions. Thanks

MK

Jeff Waldron said in October 3rd, 2008 at 7:45 am

Mark, The AR boards supply power to the game, so yes they need to be hooked up. You could use a separate power supply, then you should be able to test it without the AR boards. I need to do the same thing but I haven’t had time to mess with it lately.

Dan said in October 10th, 2008 at 9:15 am

Hey, thanks for the great tips!

I have a PP2 PCB with some battery dammage and alot of dirty chips. What is the best way to clean theses? I tried gently scratching off the dirt on the chips, but seems to do more damage than good.

-Dan

Jeff Waldron said in October 10th, 2008 at 11:17 am

@Dan: I’ve heard washing PCB’s in a dishwasher is helpful. You’d have to remove all of the socketed chips and wait for days to dry. I’ve never tried it and to be honest would be wary of doing so. As for the battery damage, I’ve heard washing with white vinegar is useful. I’ve done it before to neutralize the corrosion.

Dan said in October 10th, 2008 at 2:40 pm

for the PCBs i have removed the damaged and cleaned up the board pretty nice.

I was asking more about the legs of the small socket chips. I have some that are very tarnished or rusted.

Michael Mauricio said in October 22nd, 2008 at 5:04 pm

i have a PP2 that was working just fine until the monitor went out a few months ago. Does anyone have any suggestions at to what kind of replacement i should get? I’ve seen a few generic ones and was wondering if those are okay to use. thanks!

mr. farrell said in November 5th, 2008 at 3:54 pm

Hey Jeff. I think I might have fried something in my pp2 pcb. I tried redistributing the power as suggested.

I wanted to test it out, so i ran a couple of wires to a test point and a ground. When i powered it up, there was a puff of smoke from the pcb. Now the board is getting no power.

I hooked them up to what i thought was the power. All the cables routing to the boards were connected to the blue cylinder with the terminals on the top.

Any advice on what to do now and what i might have done wrong.

thanks again.

Rick Bryant said in November 14th, 2008 at 4:45 am

Hey Jeff, Thanks for posting this great site with all its info you have provided. Finally finished my PP2 and it only took 7 years. I had some of the same problems and a bunch of others. Thanks again.

Rick

Jeff Waldron said in December 2nd, 2008 at 11:51 am

@Rick, glad to hear you’ve got your game done! I’m hoping mine doesn’t take as long.

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